Biden:
"Americans know that we cannot afford to go back to the future."It definitely looks like a job for charitable interpretation plus corresponding poll data.
"Americans know that we cannot afford to go back to the future."It definitely looks like a job for charitable interpretation plus corresponding poll data.
THE PRESIDENT: (...)We trust you?
One Republican congresswoman said just recently -- I’m going to quote this because I know you guys will think I’m making it up -- (laughter).
AUDIENCE MEMBER: We trust you. (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: No, no, no. She said she had "very little tolerance for people who tell me they graduate with debt because there’s no reason for that."
(I)n order that I may exorcise today's demon, I have to point out the ignorance and bias on display in Eugene Emery's finding that it is "mostly true" that "only 14 percent of Catholics agree with the Vatican's position that abortion should be illegal."Katz goes on to show that PolitiFact's fact-finding fudges on all three points. PolitiFact failed to look into the crucial term "direct abortion" in the portion of the catechism it quoted and made no effort to correlate the actual Catholic doctrines to the poll data.
An objective assessment must acknowledge that there are two parts to the question, with a third qualifier necessary for an understanding of the results:
- What is the Church's position on the matter?
- Do Catholics agree with that position?
- In what sense are the respondents "Catholic"?
Although the heart of PolitiFact is the Truth-O-Meter, which they use to rate factual claims. [sic] author Louis Jacobson assigned no rating to the seemingly straightforward question of whether Obama ate dog.Karl's post is well worth the read, but I think his buddy Ace summed it up nicely on Twitter:
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Ace of Spades began questioning what exactly Politifact was suggesting with their headline shortly after the story appeared. Is there some doubt about the dog-eating story? If so, why not offer a ruling? And if there's actually no doubt, why write a factcheck piece at all? What does "context" actually add in this case? Either Obama ate dog or he didn't.But headline hijinks aren't the only problems with this article. Karl goes on to point out that PolitiFact has not shied away from animal related claims in the past:
Friday afternoon, Politifact rewrote their headline. As you can see, it now reads "In context: Obama's comments on eating dog in Indonesia." No more question mark, which is presumably their way of saying the story is true. And yet, we still get no "true" ruling. And there is still no explanation of what the context adds to this discussion.
More significantly, PolitiFact’s responses ignore their much more relevant track record in this particular area. For example, PolitiFact rated the story about the Romneys transporting the family dog on the roof of their car as “Mostly True.” And PolitiFact rated the story about former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee frying squirrels in a popcorn popper simply “True.”In all fairness to PolitiFact, they have indeed rated Obama on a dog claim:
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A diplomatic source close to the Indonesian delegation in the U.S. confirms that while dog is sometimes eaten in Indonesia, it is done so very rarely. “Obama had to go hunting for dog meat,” the source, who didn’t want to be identified, told me.PolitiFact's latest "In Context" article was little more than a device for them to delicately acknowledge a popular and controversial issue without actually having to take a position on it. People who claim to be objective servants of fact should be unconcerned with perception. But PolitiFact are not those people. They didn't sort out the truth of anything or even put anything in context. They punted. Their Obama eats dog article was an evasion. Readers should expect more of the same in the coming months.
“I don’t know of anyone who eats it and frankly, I’m a little offended you would ask.”
Breitbart.com scoured Indonesian cook books. Not one mentions ways to prepare dog.
Frankly, I'm disgusted that I even have to write this message. You would think that if any issue was safe from political posturing, it would be violence against women.Can you believe those Republicans, engaging in political posturing on an issue like violence against women?
But no. Next week, the Senate is scheduled to vote on renewing the Violence Against Women Act, and Republicans can't stop playing politics for a single day on an issue this important. Many, many Republicans in Congress have announced their opposition to renewing the Act -- including some of those running against our women.
HILARY ROSEN, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Well, first, can we just get rid of this word "war" on women? The Obama campaign does not use it. President Obama does not use it. This is something that the Republicans are accusing people of using, but they're actually the one spreading it.How many campaign surrogates will eventually join Hilary Rosen under the bus after that one?
We've published almost 5,000 fact checks since we got started. We do not get it right every single single (sic) time. Mitch, you're a journalist [crosstalk]I find it at least as interesting the many times that others go beyond PolitiFact's research (finding additional facts or additional context; examples of both are legion), inform PolitiFact of the additional information and then PolitiFact does absolutely nothing discernible in response.
Let me tell you what we do do. We correct errors. There were no, um, errors of fact in this particular report, but sometimes there have been, and we correct those quickly, we note them. Every now and then, a handful of claims, we say "You know, we got the Truth-O-Meter rating on that one wrong."
So, our typical procedure is, we go back, we report it again, uh, we have a procedure where a reporter researches and writes the report and three editors sign off on the ruling. So when we look at rulings again, uh, we have all the editors look at it again. Um, so, you know, that's a handful of rulings. The majority--the vast majority--of rulings are, uh, you know, not second-guessed [If only I had the time!--ed.] in any way.
And I would also add that when you go to PolitiFact, when you read our reports, uh, we do something that you don't often see in journalism. We have a source list where we list all of our sources., we hyperlink to all of the data, list everybody we interviewed, and in our story we carefully explain our logic. So, what's interesting to me is oftentimes when readers, um, disagree with our work and very passionately disagree with us, they disagree with us using evidence that we gave them. It's not like they're going out and researching these things and uncovering these facts, I mean it's, it's, it's very much of a, um, of a, of a--they know things now they didn't know before they read the report.
What struck me about Jacobson’s message was it asked if Romney’s statement was “technically true” and “what context does this ignore,” which carried the clear implication – as I warned Jacobson in my reply – that he’d already decided what he was going to write.Given PolitiFact's propensity for statement distortion, simply naming people they emailed hardly inspires confidence about their integrity. Until PolitiFact provides the full context of their interviews, the list is little more than window dressing.
We're not the greatest country in the worldApparently he's speaking about some fictionalized version of Liberty College or some other right-wing diploma mill. Don't almost all American universities inform students that the United States is not the greatest country in the world?
We're seventh in literacy. We're second in science. We're 29th in life expectancy. One hundred seventy-eighth in infant mortality. Third in median household income. No. 4 in labor force and No. 4 in exports.I wouldn't expect a fact checker to look into the logic, which seems like either a smart-ass answer or else a non sequitur.
How do you avoid selection bias?Shorter Bill Adair: "We don't avoid selection bias."
There are many things that go into deciding what we are going to choose. We try to be timely, we try to stay on top of the news and we try to have balance so we check people from both parties. That can be challenging though, because if you have eight voices speaking up in a Republican primary and only one Democratic incumbent – naturally you have eight times the number of statements being made on the Republican side than on the Democratic side. We try to check roughly the same number of claims by Democrats as we do for Republicans, but we have to go where the claims are and lately there have been more made by Republicans. In terms of avoiding selection bias, I think the key is to be guided by what serves the reader. Once you get past claims selections, our fact-check process is entirely driven by journalistic and independent assessment.
The President’s remarks were fully consistent with the principles described herein.While I thought from the outset that Obama's statement was of likely interest to fact checkers, I think this one has a much better chance to stay under the radar.
We also give the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s rating system a “pants on fire” rating for failing to have any standards for the public to use to judge whether the Journal Sentinel’s ratings have any meaning.A most palpable hit.
“Ultimately, I am confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress,” Obama said at a news conference with the leaders of Canada and Mexico.The "unprecedented" part of the claim isn't the only thing of interest, but I just couldn't resist matching it with "president" in the title of the post.
Presidents are paid to be confident about their own laws, but what's up with that "unprecedented"? In Marbury in 1803, Chief Justice John Marshall laid down the doctrine of judicial review. In the 209 years since, the Supreme Court has invalidated part or all of countless laws on grounds that they violated the Constitution. All of those laws were passed by a "democratically elected" legislature of some kind, either Congress or in one of the states. And no doubt many of them were passed by "strong" majorities.Oops! My bad. That's not PoitiFact. That was the right-wing kooks over at the Wall Street Journal editorial board. It must not be true. I guess we'll just have to wait until our friends outside the echo chamber decide to weigh in.
As it happens, probably stronger majorities than passed the Affordable Care Act. Readers may recall that the law was dragooned through a reluctant Senate without a single GOP vote and barely the 60 votes needed to break a filibuster. Despite a huge Democratic majority in the House, it passed by only 219-212.
They called for dismantling Medicare as we know it in favor of a private plan that would raise the eligibility age from 65 to 70 and shift much of the cost of health-care coverage from the government to the elderly.The purpose of the "Nothing To See Here" category, of course, is to see if what seems questionable to a conservative ends up with a PolitiFact fact check.